12 letter word for thief: VITO SERVIDEO
12 letter word for thief: VITO SERVIDEO
Turns out that the Colt Factory 9mm M16A2 SMG that Vito is selling is my former gun (serial number matches according to one of my buddies that visited his shop). If you are looking to purchase this gun,
don't let Vito fool you! He's got plenty of room to negotiate on price!. Also remember, the gun is refinished according to his words (of course this isn't mentioned in the sales description!).
I predict he will probably trade it to one of his "Buddies" (Partners in Crime) once he realizes the word is out.
I have no problem with a Dealer making an honest dollar, its when they lie and deceive to make a dollar (or several thousand dollars) is when people need to be warned. Vito knowingly provided a dishonest description of a gun he traded to me, and when I found out and requested he trade me back my M16A2 SMG, he said he couldn't because it was "already sold".
This evidently was a lie, since he has the Colt M16A2 SMG for sale. This speaks volumes on his honesty and integrity.
I would love to know if this guy is still on Bower's RDL list!
www.weaponsboard.com/webb.../read/2317
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I've been banned from Sturm for letting guys know about this board.
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: BUDDY, here is my note to you: PLEASE save the internet gun community further : embarrassment with your childish troll activity. You banned me for letting : folks know there is a BETTER board that is free, has better pic posting : and NO rude trolling. You call your board "free" yet, you call : your guests a "sad bunch" when they don't bow to your begging. : Hell, you even ask buyers and readers to pay you. Pathetic. You are the : only gun board on the net that asks buyers and readers to pay you. You are : taking a once good board and wrecking it. I posted on Sturm the day it : went online. It WAS a good board but, I've been watching it deteriorate : under your brainless moderating. Now, you are threatening to shut down the : NFA board as part of your money demand. Do us all a favor and KILL IT then : SHUT UP! You banned me because I support this board. That means you don't : want folks to know about this board. You want to keep your abused : prisoners to yourself. The word IS getting out though. There is NO abuse : here, NO trolling for money, NO banning for speaking about another board. : I bear you no ill will but, I RESENT your abuse of your position, your : mistreatment of your guests. You are slowly killing Sturm. Be a man, pull : your pistol and shoot that dying horse you have run into the ground...why : make it suffer? Make good on your threat and KILL IT!
I am sorry that it has come to this. It is pretty sad that all the people that helped start that board and make it exist are the ones getting spat on. Makes no sense to me! I have never had anything against Buddy and frankly don't know the man. He does not know me either so I am not sure why the resentment against this board. All I can say is what I said in my latest addendum to the rules and guidelines section. "All posting is 100% FREE with absolutely no charge to the buyer or the seller. No free lunches or pseudo donations. No charge for posting, EVER!"
I will always operate on the premise that the users are what make the site succeed or fail and that is why it was created. The users are what built this site and the users will be the ones to make it grow. What is the point in pissing them off?? Thanks for the support and thanks for helping it grow. WTA
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Moderating on this board has gone completely Posted By: schizo. We now have "work safe" policies Date: 8/6/06 09:57
In Response To: hey fawkers! been awhile. (tacoma)
and "can't we all get along and not be mean" policies and other vague and unenforceable standards of practice and rules of engagement.
I would suggest it is because of one new moderator I dare not name else I will be banned or something.
Makes you long for the good ole days when Hinkle just got drunk and flushed the board because he couldn't see the keypad clearly.
A few weeks ago Marshall Law almost banned Bryan Pritchard. It's crazy I tell ya, just crazy.
Posted By: politically correct should be changed to neutered Date: 8/6/06 10:11
In Response To: Moderating on this board has gone completely (schizo. We now have "work safe" policies)
running the risk of being banned....LOL
I understand that some have abused porn posts....but the rationale for overmoderation is a bit bizarre. Have heard of reasons such as "people at work surf Subguns.com...and would committ a no-no if they hit a porn link. Newsflash.....most companies monitor websites and anything NON-Work Related is taboo at most corporations.....especially one with the title "Politically incorrect" in it.
I don't understand it either....no problem with moderation....but call it for what it is. The old days of being politically incorrect here are looooooooooooooooooong gone.
b wood
now with 150% more political correctness
If this is offensive and I am banned....then I guess I will catch up on the yard work at the new house Re: 12 letter word for thief: VITO SERVIDEO
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Message:
For the three weeks before the attack, the Nelsons and VegSource had fought a running online battle with a group of vociferous pro-gun ideologues intent on disrupting debate at VegSource and harassing the Nelsons. According to the Nelsons, not long after they started deleting what they considered inappropriate posts to their message boards, they began to receive obscene phone calls and threatening e-mail. They saw their own physical address and phone numbers posted to message boards at pro-gun sites, along with threats to send the Nelsons a destructive computer virus. At one site in particular, "Tom Bowers' Politically Incorrect Machine Gun Pages," aka "Subguns," the message board participants reveled in whipping each other into a frenzy of anti-vegetarian and anti-VegSource fervor.
Submachine gun groupies on the warpath against animal-loving vegetarians? At first glance, it looks like just another wacky slice of Net life. And we haven't even begun to discuss the role of talk show host Rosie O'Donnell in all of this. Or the pistol-packing vegans popping out of the Web woodwork. Or the attack on Subguns itself by demented white power racists hailing from a Web site devoted to Adolf Hitler.
But to the Nelsons, the loss of three years of work -- three years of interactively created content generated by an entire community -- isn't in the least bit ludicrous. Instead, it's a depressing indication of where the Web is headed, mid-1999.
As the Web matures, it reflects ever more closely the stresses and shocks that radiate through the offline world --- and its edges seem to sharpen. The VegSource trauma, for example, was a direct outgrowth of the Littleton high school massacre. Increasingly, the Web is where people are turning to voice their outrage and act out their passions in the wake of galvanizing current events.
At the same time, the Web is accelerating the creation of ever more specialized "communities of interest" -- gathering places for more or less like-minded people, united by their love for dairy-free diets or Thompson submachine guns. These communities are fast becoming online tribes. Which means that what happened to VegSource may represent something more than just run-of-the-mill social friction: It could be a sign of burgeoning online tribal warfare.
The two central players in the guns vs. veggies drama, Subguns and VegSource, could hardly seem more different. In one corner, we have a bunch of card-carrying NRA members who like to share pictures of themselves firing lethal weapons. In the other, we find a flood of Gaia-worshippers who flaunt photographs of pet kittens. At Subguns, the regulars ask each other arcane questions about legal restrictions on high-caliber ammunition; at VegSource, the search is on for the perfect recipe for vegan chocolate eclairs (no eggs, please!).
But there are similarities, too. It's not just that passionate gun rights activists and animal-liberation freedom fighters can be capable of nearly identical forms of arrogant intolerance. Or that both Web sites employ the same freely available Web conferencing software on their message boards -- a program that makes anonymous and forged postings fairly easy. Both sites feature numerous topic-oriented message boards where there is little tumult -- but each has at least one board in which political discussion regularly leads to flame wars.
Most significantly, Subguns and VegSource are both excellent examples of one of the most salient recent developments in Web life: they're topic-specific online communities that have settled next to quasi-commercial hubs. Subguns belongs to Tom Bowers, a federally licensed firearms dealer who sells rifle silencers and equipment for modifying semi-automatic weapons. VegSource is a non-profit organization, but it sells ads to support its operation and features numerous links to other commercial, vegetarian-oriented Web sites.
Both sites exploit the Web's greatest strength, its nurturing embrace of niche communities. The Web makes it easy to create a home for any point of view, any particular predilection or prejudice. But the fallout from such niche-ification doesn't have to be friendly: It's just as easy to brew hate as love. Jeff and Sabrina Nelson found that out the hard way in early May.
Bowers says his Web site offers one utterly unmoderated message board for general discussion of gun-related matters where "you can post any kind of offensive crap." (That message board, which was operational throughout the period during which this article was researched, went offline at almost the exact same time Salon published this article. A note Bowers posted on another message board at his site offers no explanation but says "it's going to be a few days" before the board is back up again.)
"It's a service to the community," he says. "There are very few places where you can go on the Net and put anything you want up there without any form of censorship at all. Unfortunately, because it is unmoderated, it is open to trolls," says Bowers, referring to participants in an online discussion who post comments designed purposely to spark outrage. "We are getting hammered by the Nazis and the Antis [anti-gun advocates]."
Nazis? Few veterans of online discourse would dare contradict the truth of Godwin's Law: the longer an online discussion grows, the more likely it is that a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler will be made. But back in 1990, when Mike Godwin formulated his law, few people (excepting Godwin himself) might have imagined that before the decade was over, actual Nazis would be raiding Web sites on a regular basis.
Perhaps it was just a twisted form of Web karmic retribution that sent the white power nuts from adolfhitler.com trolling over to Subguns. Certainly there was no shortage of absurd irony to be found in watching the Subgun regulars complain about jerkish behavior by outside invaders. The whole thing could also have been a farce -- an up-to-date version of the infamous attack on the Usenet newsgroup rec.pets.cats by alt.tasteless back in 1993.
Or maybe the most cynical Subgun suspicions are true, and the so-called Nazis are in reality sneaky vegetarians impersonating "white gun owners." In the aftermath of the destruction of the VegSource server, the chaos overrunning the Subguns board -- a welter of forged posts, imposters and anonymous trolls -- obliterated any chance to make sense out of the mess.
You never really know what's going on out there in the uncharted wastelands of the Web, anyway. Hitler, guns and veggies; fakes, frauds and trolls: Life on the Net often seems baroque and bizarre, weirdly unrepresentative of how real life works. But a
ll too often, online explosions can be traced back to offline catastrophes. A massacre here, an annihilated Web server there -- it's all connected.
http://p100.ezboard.com/fgunsofthemoviesfrm7.showMessage?topicID=47.topic
12 letter word for thief: VITO SERVIDEO
Turns out that the Colt Factory 9mm M16A2 SMG that Vito is selling is my former gun (serial number matches according to one of my buddies that visited his shop). If you are looking to purchase this gun,
don't let Vito fool you! He's got plenty of room to negotiate on price!. Also remember, the gun is refinished according to his words (of course this isn't mentioned in the sales description!).
I predict he will probably trade it to one of his "Buddies" (Partners in Crime) once he realizes the word is out.
I have no problem with a Dealer making an honest dollar, its when they lie and deceive to make a dollar (or several thousand dollars) is when people need to be warned. Vito knowingly provided a dishonest description of a gun he traded to me, and when I found out and requested he trade me back my M16A2 SMG, he said he couldn't because it was "already sold".
This evidently was a lie, since he has the Colt M16A2 SMG for sale. This speaks volumes on his honesty and integrity.
I would love to know if this guy is still on Bower's RDL list!
www.weaponsboard.com/webb.../read/2317
GunBroker.com - View User FeedbackBuyer prefers to whine to Buddy Hinton. ... READ ALL HIS NEG FEEDBACK www.sturmgewehr.com/webBB...read=36983 ...
www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.asp?User=152918&Page=18&Items=50 - 73k - Cached - Similar pages
12 letter word for thief: VITO SERVIDEO
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I've been banned from Sturm for letting guys know about this board.
: Submission Not Accepted!
: Your submission was not accepted, as unfortunately, your IP address has been : banned from posting to General Firearms Discussion Board. If you're the : hapless victim of someone else's misbehavior, please contact the site : administrator to see if it's possible to revise the ban. If you have any : questions, please send a note to buddyhinton@hotmail.com.
: BUDDY, here is my note to you: PLEASE save the internet gun community further : embarrassment with your childish troll activity. You banned me for letting : folks know there is a BETTER board that is free, has better pic posting : and NO rude trolling. You call your board "free" yet, you call : your guests a "sad bunch" when they don't bow to your begging. : Hell, you even ask buyers and readers to pay you. Pathetic. You are the : only gun board on the net that asks buyers and readers to pay you. You are : taking a once good board and wrecking it. I posted on Sturm the day it : went online. It WAS a good board but, I've been watching it deteriorate : under your brainless moderating. Now, you are threatening to shut down the : NFA board as part of your money demand. Do us all a favor and KILL IT then : SHUT UP! You banned me because I support this board. That means you don't : want folks to know about this board. You want to keep your abused : prisoners to yourself. The word IS getting out though. There is NO abuse : here, NO trolling for money, NO banning for speaking about another board. : I bear you no ill will but, I RESENT your abuse of your position, your : mistreatment of your guests. You are slowly killing Sturm. Be a man, pull : your pistol and shoot that dying horse you have run into the ground...why : make it suffer? Make good on your threat and KILL IT!
I am sorry that it has come to this. It is pretty sad that all the people that helped start that board and make it exist are the ones getting spat on. Makes no sense to me! I have never had anything against Buddy and frankly don't know the man. He does not know me either so I am not sure why the resentment against this board. All I can say is what I said in my latest addendum to the rules and guidelines section. "All posting is 100% FREE with absolutely no charge to the buyer or the seller. No free lunches or pseudo donations. No charge for posting, EVER!"
I will always operate on the premise that the users are what make the site succeed or fail and that is why it was created. The users are what built this site and the users will be the ones to make it grow. What is the point in pissing them off?? Thanks for the support and thanks for helping it grow. WTA
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Moderating on this board has gone completely Posted By: schizo. We now have "work safe" policies Date: 8/6/06 09:57
In Response To: hey fawkers! been awhile. (tacoma)
and "can't we all get along and not be mean" policies and other vague and unenforceable standards of practice and rules of engagement.
I would suggest it is because of one new moderator I dare not name else I will be banned or something.
Makes you long for the good ole days when Hinkle just got drunk and flushed the board because he couldn't see the keypad clearly.
A few weeks ago Marshall Law almost banned Bryan Pritchard. It's crazy I tell ya, just crazy.
Posted By: politically correct should be changed to neutered Date: 8/6/06 10:11
In Response To: Moderating on this board has gone completely (schizo. We now have "work safe" policies)
running the risk of being banned....LOL
I understand that some have abused porn posts....but the rationale for overmoderation is a bit bizarre. Have heard of reasons such as "people at work surf Subguns.com...and would committ a no-no if they hit a porn link. Newsflash.....most companies monitor websites and anything NON-Work Related is taboo at most corporations.....especially one with the title "Politically incorrect" in it.
I don't understand it either....no problem with moderation....but call it for what it is. The old days of being politically incorrect here are looooooooooooooooooong gone.
b wood
now with 150% more political correctness
If this is offensive and I am banned....then I guess I will catch up on the yard work at the new house Re: 12 letter word for thief: VITO SERVIDEO
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Message:
For the three weeks before the attack, the Nelsons and VegSource had fought a running online battle with a group of vociferous pro-gun ideologues intent on disrupting debate at VegSource and harassing the Nelsons. According to the Nelsons, not long after they started deleting what they considered inappropriate posts to their message boards, they began to receive obscene phone calls and threatening e-mail. They saw their own physical address and phone numbers posted to message boards at pro-gun sites, along with threats to send the Nelsons a destructive computer virus. At one site in particular, "Tom Bowers' Politically Incorrect Machine Gun Pages," aka "Subguns," the message board participants reveled in whipping each other into a frenzy of anti-vegetarian and anti-VegSource fervor.
Submachine gun groupies on the warpath against animal-loving vegetarians? At first glance, it looks like just another wacky slice of Net life. And we haven't even begun to discuss the role of talk show host Rosie O'Donnell in all of this. Or the pistol-packing vegans popping out of the Web woodwork. Or the attack on Subguns itself by demented white power racists hailing from a Web site devoted to Adolf Hitler.
But to the Nelsons, the loss of three years of work -- three years of interactively created content generated by an entire community -- isn't in the least bit ludicrous. Instead, it's a depressing indication of where the Web is headed, mid-1999.
As the Web matures, it reflects ever more closely the stresses and shocks that radiate through the offline world --- and its edges seem to sharpen. The VegSource trauma, for example, was a direct outgrowth of the Littleton high school massacre. Increasingly, the Web is where people are turning to voice their outrage and act out their passions in the wake of galvanizing current events.
At the same time, the Web is accelerating the creation of ever more specialized "communities of interest" -- gathering places for more or less like-minded people, united by their love for dairy-free diets or Thompson submachine guns. These communities are fast becoming online tribes. Which means that what happened to VegSource may represent something more than just run-of-the-mill social friction: It could be a sign of burgeoning online tribal warfare.
The two central players in the guns vs. veggies drama, Subguns and VegSource, could hardly seem more different. In one corner, we have a bunch of card-carrying NRA members who like to share pictures of themselves firing lethal weapons. In the other, we find a flood of Gaia-worshippers who flaunt photographs of pet kittens. At Subguns, the regulars ask each other arcane questions about legal restrictions on high-caliber ammunition; at VegSource, the search is on for the perfect recipe for vegan chocolate eclairs (no eggs, please!).
But there are similarities, too. It's not just that passionate gun rights activists and animal-liberation freedom fighters can be capable of nearly identical forms of arrogant intolerance. Or that both Web sites employ the same freely available Web conferencing software on their message boards -- a program that makes anonymous and forged postings fairly easy. Both sites feature numerous topic-oriented message boards where there is little tumult -- but each has at least one board in which political discussion regularly leads to flame wars.
Most significantly, Subguns and VegSource are both excellent examples of one of the most salient recent developments in Web life: they're topic-specific online communities that have settled next to quasi-commercial hubs. Subguns belongs to Tom Bowers, a federally licensed firearms dealer who sells rifle silencers and equipment for modifying semi-automatic weapons. VegSource is a non-profit organization, but it sells ads to support its operation and features numerous links to other commercial, vegetarian-oriented Web sites.
Both sites exploit the Web's greatest strength, its nurturing embrace of niche communities. The Web makes it easy to create a home for any point of view, any particular predilection or prejudice. But the fallout from such niche-ification doesn't have to be friendly: It's just as easy to brew hate as love. Jeff and Sabrina Nelson found that out the hard way in early May.
Bowers says his Web site offers one utterly unmoderated message board for general discussion of gun-related matters where "you can post any kind of offensive crap." (That message board, which was operational throughout the period during which this article was researched, went offline at almost the exact same time Salon published this article. A note Bowers posted on another message board at his site offers no explanation but says "it's going to be a few days" before the board is back up again.)
"It's a service to the community," he says. "There are very few places where you can go on the Net and put anything you want up there without any form of censorship at all. Unfortunately, because it is unmoderated, it is open to trolls," says Bowers, referring to participants in an online discussion who post comments designed purposely to spark outrage. "We are getting hammered by the Nazis and the Antis [anti-gun advocates]."
Nazis? Few veterans of online discourse would dare contradict the truth of Godwin's Law: the longer an online discussion grows, the more likely it is that a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler will be made. But back in 1990, when Mike Godwin formulated his law, few people (excepting Godwin himself) might have imagined that before the decade was over, actual Nazis would be raiding Web sites on a regular basis.
Perhaps it was just a twisted form of Web karmic retribution that sent the white power nuts from adolfhitler.com trolling over to Subguns. Certainly there was no shortage of absurd irony to be found in watching the Subgun regulars complain about jerkish behavior by outside invaders. The whole thing could also have been a farce -- an up-to-date version of the infamous attack on the Usenet newsgroup rec.pets.cats by alt.tasteless back in 1993.
Or maybe the most cynical Subgun suspicions are true, and the so-called Nazis are in reality sneaky vegetarians impersonating "white gun owners." In the aftermath of the destruction of the VegSource server, the chaos overrunning the Subguns board -- a welter of forged posts, imposters and anonymous trolls -- obliterated any chance to make sense out of the mess.
You never really know what's going on out there in the uncharted wastelands of the Web, anyway. Hitler, guns and veggies; fakes, frauds and trolls: Life on the Net often seems baroque and bizarre, weirdly unrepresentative of how real life works. But a
ll too often, online explosions can be traced back to offline catastrophes. A massacre here, an annihilated Web server there -- it's all connected.
http://p100.ezboard.com/fgunsofthemoviesfrm7.showMessage?topicID=47.topic
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